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Crucis Cassiopeiae
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Posted - 2011.01.06 14:13:00 -
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For pervention of mining macros, I think that there is one simple solution... Make that all good ore belts you need to scan for... so that they are not on the same place... and this static ones that only have very small roids so that new players with miner I can mine in them but if you have anything better you must scan...
There is not macro that can move probes close to one of the dots on the screen to get better accuracy so that it can warp to that belt... even forums and some web based games have "click in unfinished dot" programs for log in becouse no program can see what dot is finished, what is not... and all this work becouse programs that can "see" are hard to program... and making macros that can do that would be very hard...
and this mechanic will help new players to beter learn scaning that they must use later in the game... "Everybody's at war with different things... I'm at war with my own heart sometimes" |
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Posted - 2011.01.21 11:27:00 -
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Ok ppl... new avatars are great and all but don't forget more important things in EVE that need DEVs attention...
And i think that Botting and RMT problem must be one of the priorities. "Everybody's at war with different things... I'm at war with my own heart sometimes" |
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Posted - 2011.01.21 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Crucis Cassiopeiae on 21/01/2011 17:07:58
Originally by: Vincent Athena Did you see in the dev blog about account security that CCP is reverse engineering bot programs? That one statement carries more weight than the entire "raging on" blog.
Also for anyone looking at this thread and thinking "maybe I should get a bot": read that blog on phishing. It says bot programs secretly steal your account info and send it to the bot program writer, or do other nasty stuff to you.
People writing programs for cheating don't stop at cheating in the game, they cheat you too.
Yes, i saw that blog... but i saw many other "words on paper" that remained only that... That words give us hope that something will be done on this subject... but i would like to see results too...
I know that there is not simple solution of this problem... but if you dont do anything, thats approval... and i know that noone wants to be riped-off and/or have competition which you can not mach in any way, simple becouse you have one flaw... you are human... and becouse that many ppl are thinking why to do something that one stupid code can do and beat you in that becouse "it has all the time in the world"... and then that code "gives" ISK to some "elite PVPer" and that PVPer kills you with isk which he stole from you and now its in his ship... Many ppl are feeling stupid becouse of that... and ask themself "whats the piont"... Or simple cash out that ISK in $$$ and than show off with $$$ stolen from CCP and you...
Becouse that there is EULA... and I think that EULA is law... and law must be obeyed and protected... and becouse that i plea to CCP, protect citizens of New Eden and protect New Eden himself becouse i don't want to see EVE Online to become Macros Online.
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Posted - 2011.01.27 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Athena Edited by: Vincent Athena on 26/01/2011 23:43:21
Originally by: Naya Mae
Originally by: Xylengra If you think that CCP is ever going to permaban someone caught botting you need to either get off your meds or get on better ones.
Recent online record somethere near 635000
If CCP banned the botters, there would be half or less. While that might appeal to you, it makes absolutely NO business sense to CCP.
Facts is facts and no matter what YOU want, this is their game. They are going to keep the subs and say goodbye to the very few that would actually quit over their rage against botters.
Any reliable source stating that each of us has his/her botter soul in the universe of EVE?
P.S.: If all that was true, I would quit over my rage against CCP who does nothing to ban the botters.
Well, if we take a totally made up case and do the math:
Assume 97% of players are playing legally, and average 2.3 hours of play a day, and on average run 1.5 clients.
Assume the other 3% are bot users, are on 23 hours a day and on average run 5 bots.
Result: About half of those on-line are bots.
So a very large fraction of the ships we see could be run by bots, even if a tiny fraction of the subscribers are cheaters. Edit: It also means that we do not really have a player driven economy, we have, to some unknown extent, a cheater driven economy.
It also means that if CCP managed to rid the game of bots, their subscription base would not go down much, but server use would go down alot. Also CCP has stated that many bot users use stolen accounts and engage in various fraudulent activities that directly cost CCP money.
So why are there still bots? Why has CCP not killed them all? I can only conclude it is in fact a difficult problem.
But I sure would like to see some data from CCP showing this to be true.
:(((
so EVE-online has become MACROS-online...
and how can CCP say that this is player driven economy???
new advertise: EVE-online - the best macros driven economy!!! "Everybody's at war with different things... I'm at war with my own heart sometimes" |
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Posted - 2011.01.27 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: Crucis Cassiopeiae on 27/01/2011 15:46:58
Originally by: Sophia Amelia Stone Edited by: Sophia Amelia Stone on 26/01/2011 13:05:04
Originally by: rock crawlermne Edited by: rock crawlermne on 26/01/2011 00:33:58 I'm sure ccp will eventually see this thread
bump it up!!!
EDIT: almost 50 thousand views....thats more then most stickies!!! CCP, assuming that's 50k different people...each paying 15 bucks a month...you have 3/4 of a MILLION US dollers in profit yelling out...please at least comment on this.
This thread 22 pages long 50,057 views and a creation date of 05-12-2010.
Rate the avatar above thread, 83 pages long 71,630 views and a creation date of only 19-01-2011.
Seems that this thread does not make such an impact as you seem to think.
Note: Figures used correct at time of gathering the information to use in this post (which was shortly before posting).
Just saw this...
please add up together all posts on this subject and you will see how many threads, pages, posts, views this subject has in all sub forums...
and ppl are fed of writing the same things over and over again over years and they still write about botting... and threads about new avatars are here now, when this is new thing, and only now...
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Posted - 2011.01.30 14:26:00 -
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I'll just quote myself, what i wrote in Mining, Rats, Immersion, Bots: Fix? thread in Features and Ideas Discussion forum:
Originally by: Crucis Cassiopeiae
All around EVE forum you can find many many many posts on the same subject...
EVE <-> BOTS <-> MINING BOTS <-> EVE <-> MINING MINING <-> BOTS <-> EVE
there are many sugestions how to solve this problem... and I support anything that can solve this problem... problem of BOTS... and not only in mining... and CCP needs to do something... it's CCPs turn now...
but after all this i think that, if CCP wants to solve this problem, CCP need to integrate in client some sort of BOT DETECTION PROGRAM... and that server ACCEPTS ONLY CLIENT CONNECTIONS... By this bot programers will need to make more effort and not only inject little pyton code in client and make it their puppet... all other MMOs have some sort of bot detections... EVE must have it too...
when this is done, then you can make some changes in game-play... and that all will substantially reduce number of bots in EVE... and make EVE again the best game on the market...
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Posted - 2011.02.02 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Keta Fraal Hey! Guess what ladies?
There is bot trading in RL!
Wiki article
AND in the future there will be bots to mine as well:
http://www.solve.csiro.au/0505/article5.htm
So maybe we need to rethink what these functions will entail in eve since all the smart people in our real world have figured it out.
Any solution that does not reduce the tedium of mundane gaming is only hindering progress. Find a solution that makes third party bots obsolete or you are wasting effort.
You are suggesting / you want to automate mining and trading??? "Everybody's at war with different things... I'm at war with my own heart sometimes" |
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Posted - 2011.02.03 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: Crucis Cassiopeiae on 03/02/2011 14:28:49
Originally by: Keta Fraal
Originally by: Crucis Cassiopeiae
Originally by: Keta Fraal Hey! Guess what ladies?
There is bot trading in RL!
Wiki article
AND in the future there will be bots to mine as well:
http://www.solve.csiro.au/0505/article5.htm
So maybe we need to rethink what these functions will entail in eve since all the smart people in our real world have figured it out.
Any solution that does not reduce the tedium of mundane gaming is only hindering progress. Find a solution that makes third party bots obsolete or you are wasting effort.
You are suggesting / you want to automate mining and trading???
No.
I am pointing to the fact that progress and innovation have (for the good or bad) made the game mechanic obsolete in the way of mining, trading and missioning. You will never win against those who invent a way to circumvent a system.
The only suggestion that sounds feasible is to make botters easier targets to players who want to hunt them and blow them up. Be innovative. Build on the gameplay. Not restrictive by adding what would amount to a counter-bot to prevent botting.
And as far as market botting goes... If anyone can figure that out, then by all means contact the S.E.C. because making money off useless market interactions is rampant with botting.
Thnx God for that "No"... :)
But thats game mechanic... in real world we, in "game mechanic" of real world, have computers and with them we can automate some things... in EVE we don't have that RL computers (in EVE like separate world)... if in EVE world would be integrated some computers that could automate some parts of game, then that would be the part of game mechanic and you could use it...
becouse that you cant compare that things... and that is RPG... so you must play in boundaris of that game mechanic...
and game mechanic in EVE do not include Botting...
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Posted - 2011.02.13 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: pcydo Free bump. In regards to http://www.evenews24.com/2011/02/12/the-rise-of-the-isk-printing-machines-a-case-study-on-bots/
Here is topic about that article, started by the same author:
EveNews24.com DDoS issues and an update on our war on bots.
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Posted - 2011.02.15 16:24:00 -
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Edited by: Crucis Cassiopeiae on 15/02/2011 16:28:01
Originally by: pcydo Bring the Unholy Rage 2. Let the next dev blog look like this: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=687 . We all know you can, CCP!
Unholy Rage 2 would do nothing... even in that DEV blog you can see that they ban Botters only for ONE DAY... you see how it's marked on Memory Augmentation diagram "Temporary bans expire"... and thats ONE DAY AFTER Unholy Rage...
Unholy Rage is only marketing trick... if CCP wants to do something they must fight botters all the time and not only when public relations department says so... and even then you see that its one time mass ban for only one day...
P.S. 800 replies passed...
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Posted - 2011.02.25 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Nina Mercedez Integral, and essential.
I'd like to see them give some people GM powers, not paid or anything, and have them go find bots, and amass solid proof. Have IA monitor them, of course. Hell, I'd volunteer, it's not like I do anything in Eve outside chatting nowadays anyway.
I support this thread... but... giving GM powers to ppl that did not sign contract which say what you can do and what you cant, and how... i think... no thnx... even CCP staff can do (and did) some "illegal" things... and ppl without RL contracts with that power... that could kill the game...
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Posted - 2011.03.14 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: riverini Edited by: riverini on 11/03/2011 16:06:28 title fixed...
noooooo... that was a feature of this thread...
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Posted - 2011.03.20 12:05:00 -
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And all this botting is producing Super-Cap numbers rising.
And you cant say that this is not killing EVE... 450 supercaps produced every month... and that is old data... well... that is sad...
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Posted - 2011.03.27 08:40:00 -
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can someone say to me what was said on fanfest about botting? in short bullets...
i am finding on many places some hints... but its all unclear...
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Posted - 2011.03.27 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Othran Edited by: Othran on 27/03/2011 09:31:59
Originally by: Crucis Cassiopeiae can someone say to me what was said on fanfest about botting? in short bullets...
i am finding on many places some hints... but its all unclear...
What I got from it :
1) Background bot monitoring/detection software is in place - a load of people (1000 or so) who used RoidReaver got banned;
2) Current GM "decisions" on macroing s/w are now basically null and void. The security team will make the calls now, not random GMs. The ToS and EULA will be the final arbiter of decisions - where there's a conflict then ToS/EULA wins;
3) No mass banning, slow burn as evidence is accumulated;
4) Report Bot menu option as petitions weren't working effectively;
5) Three strikes and you're out - unspecified ban for first offence, 30 days for second, permaban on third offence.
I suspect that none of the ratting bots have been hit yet. There's one system "out east" which I've been watching for 3 months now - I know who the bots are, I know the typical ratting figures per day and theres no change visible yet. Likewise there's another system in Stain that I've been watching for months - I'm hoping to see a change in ratting figures fairly soon, certainly before 20 April when I have to decide whether to resub or not. We'll see.
THNX a lot...
now I "JUST" want to see results...
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Posted - 2011.03.28 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Athena Edited by: Vincent Athena on 27/03/2011 14:30:04 Other notes from the presentation:
The 3 strikes are a short ban, a 30 day ban, a perma-ban. If this system is not reducing the use of bots, it will be adjusted.
Users of various bot types will one day wake up to bans. Watch their forums for rage.
Sreegs feels isk gained from botting should be removed from the game, just like RMT isk. But did not say if that would happen.
Anti-bot software will be added to the client. It will concern itself with just the security of the client, not with whatever else is running on you computer.
My comment about CCP decompiling bot programs came from Sreegs DEV blog on phishing, not the presentation at fanfest.
Edit: typos
ok... it's progress... BUT... 2 small bans before real ban??? so... we all can bot untill we get 2 bans... and then we sell that chars... buy new one, put it on new acc and again... :/ thats not a progress... :(
and about the rest... i see realy small success... :( i hope thats just begining...
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Posted - 2011.04.07 11:16:00 -
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Just to post here link to related thread so that we have all on one place:
Reporting from the front line of the Bot-War
In this tread are reactions on, and results of, anti bot war...
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Posted - 2011.04.07 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: Crucis Cassiopeiae on 07/04/2011 13:41:07
Originally by: Sullen Skoung Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 07/04/2011 12:35:30 We DO have one place... here... If the trend continues, your thread will get locked, pointing to this thread to talk about it.
like theyve done with every other thread talking about botting since about halfway through this thread's life.
Theres a reason this thread has 130,000 replies
First: I think you miss-understood me... so ill fix my post to "Just to post here link to related thread so that we have all important data here, on one place:"
i linked all kind of pages and links here in the past... all talking about botting...
and Second: Thats not my thread...
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Posted - 2011.04.20 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Athena
Originally by: Mr Kidd
So, my suggestion is CCP, stop fighting the bots. Change the EULA to allow them. Then offer your own "official CCP BOT" to accommodate the game's psspoor, boring, mind-numbingly vacant content where isk making is concerned. If people don't want to buy your bots, fine, they can make their own within limitations, no modding the client. Every expansion/update you can introduce some non-official bot breaking mechanic or something that requires them to adjust their personal bots while the CCP bots keep chugging along.
First, many players do not consider isk making to be mind numbingly boring, its what we like, its what we do. Please do not assume your opinion of the game is the same as everyone else's.
Second, I do not want my enjoyment of the game destroyed by having eve turned into bots online even more than it is.
Then, the costs of running a 0.0 alliance is not so large that it cannot be done with normal play, UNLESS you are fighting another alliance that is botting. If CCP beats down all the bots, the playing field will be level, just with fewer SCs.
Also, trying to regulate personal bots to a pre-determined level will take as much, if not more effort than just killing them all. So I say kill them all.
If a 0.0 alliance is having trouble making ships, there are a ton of people in high sec who are quite good at it. There are people who like industry and isk making and hate PvP just as much as you like PvP and hate isk making. If you stop insulting them, stop forcing them to do hated activities, and invite them in, you can get your ships.
+1
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Posted - 2011.04.24 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Crucis Cassiopeiae on 24/04/2011 17:15:03
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
Originally by: riverini
Originally by: Opertone ban their Device ID, serial numbers... permanently
I guess u mean local MAC address? if so I approve! armchair hackers, please name countermeasures and how hard could they be?
sudo ifconfig eth0 hw ether 01:02:03:04:05:06
thats in Linux...
in Mac OS: sudo ifconfig en0 lladdr 01:02:03:04:05:06
and in Win a little play with registry...
P.S. may be the best way is baning of hardware serial numbers... (like ban of that HDD or MB)
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Posted - 2011.04.30 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Crucis Cassiopeiae on 30/04/2011 22:34:08
OK... what is this???
Wrongly accused of using a macro
Originally by: Master Slave Slave Two of my housholds accounts have been unfairly banned for three days for use of a macro Which is just not true.... (more stuff) ...
ONLY 3 DAY BAN FOR BOTTING???
and thats new post... Posted - 2011.04.30 21:40:00
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Posted - 2011.05.05 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Athena CCP Sreggs: Any word on when we get your blog on the anti-bot effort?
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Posted - 2011.07.18 22:10:00 -
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ehhm... and whats about that blog???
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Posted - 2011.07.20 19:36:00 -
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Edited by: Crucis Cassiopeiae on 20/07/2011 19:36:36
ppl, you know that sticky topic "Current Botting and Exploit/Client Modification Policies - 12/5/2011" well... its not any more...
and you know when something is not important any more... when they remove it...
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Posted - 2011.08.12 19:49:00 -
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Edited by: Crucis Cassiopeiae on 12/08/2011 19:50:03
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: Vincent Athena CCP Sreggs: Any word on when we get your blog on the anti-bot effort?
I'm putting out a blog in the next week.
that was posted: "Posted - 2011.05.12 10:20:00 - [2455] - "
that's one looooong week...
anything new on this subject?
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Posted - 2011.08.16 09:37:00 -
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Edited by: Crucis Cassiopeiae on 16/08/2011 09:39:44
I open EVE forums this morning and see one topic named "Winter expansion... because bots need more love"... and i must agree on it... no banning bots or doing things to make theirs life harder and buffing the main "land" where they live... nice message from CCP...
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Posted - 2011.08.22 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Cyaxares II rofl, wrote a post in this thread shortly describing how I have been using a popular mission bot and how ccp did nothing (over more than half a year) to break that bot.
post gets deleted by ccp, my account remains unbanned.
have fun believing that ccp does care...
O.o
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Posted - 2011.08.28 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Athena Two year old data. We want equivalent data for the current effort.
+1
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Posted - 2011.09.03 22:03:00 -
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anything new here?
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Posted - 2011.09.09 08:49:00 -
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i just hope that EVE itself wont end up like this old forums...
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:00:00 -
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this thread:
2010.12.05 23:51:00 2011.09.09 17:10:00
only problem is that we don't see the end of this problem...
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Quorra Adama Think we can hit 90 pages before shutdown?
we can try... :p
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